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#1

Posted 12 April 2012 - 08:16 PM

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#2

Posted 12 April 2012 - 08:45 PM

Yes, I see what you mean... But I must note that if only two stores in NZ have it, it is not likely to be priced very well. Not only because of the lack of competition, but also because there can't be much demand.
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#3

Posted 12 April 2012 - 08:54 PM

Yeah I noticed that, not a lot of stores have what is widely accepted as one of the best SSDs ever made.

Another good case is the GTX680. They sell for close to 600nzd in the states, yet 1000nzd here. Its really really frustrating, I don't think I could bring myself to buy a GTX680 here.

#4

Posted 12 April 2012 - 09:10 PM

It's $850ish from us for gtx680, you pay GST on it.
Then it's an extra $50 or so for shipping, so not much difference really.

#5

Posted 12 April 2012 - 09:16 PM

And to make matters worse: they'll pay less per litre of fuel than we do (even in NZ dollars), and for many other normal items and probably their wages/salaries as well the number of US dollars they pay/get will probably be similar to how many NZ dollars we pay/get for the same thing here – making the cost not only high here when considering the exchange rate, but very high compared to what normal items cost, because that would be like comparing before considering the exchange rate!

But it is worth noting that we do have to pay an extra 15% in GST, which they generally don't. But we can't complain about 15%, as some parts of Europe have a 25% equivalent.
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#6

Posted 12 April 2012 - 10:30 PM

View Posttbonesteak, on 12 April 2012 - 09:10 PM, said:

It's $850ish from us for gtx680, you pay GST on it.
Then it's an extra $50 or so for shipping, so not much difference really.

Wat? A retailer would get them wholesale (Unless maybe there are no wholesalers for NZ?) for even less. And shipping would scale downwards with big orders of hardware. I'm pretty sure a large portion of the price is markup, how else would you describe an almost hundred dollar variance in prices across different stores.

#7

Posted 12 April 2012 - 10:41 PM

Apart from being technologically backward (obvious hyperbole, but bears some truth) New Zealand is awesome though ^L_^

#8

Posted 12 April 2012 - 11:06 PM

most of the money goes to shipping and customs duty..... im still getting some of my parts in USA anyway cos even with the shipping and customs id still save $$$, the reason why stuff is so expensive here is because the shops have to make a reasonable amount of profit as well

#9

Posted 12 April 2012 - 11:18 PM

View PostJoshHunter, on 12 April 2012 - 10:30 PM, said:

Wat? A retailer would get them wholesale (Unless maybe there are no wholesalers for NZ?) for even less. And shipping would scale downwards with big orders of hardware. I'm pretty sure a large portion of the price is markup, how else would you describe an almost hundred dollar variance in prices across different stores.

What do you mean big orders? Stores here don't buy GTX 680's in the hundreds. Or SSD in the hundreds. They might order 10 GTX 680's in at a time. (for example)

Yes most stores are going to put a mark up on hardware. It's supply and demand. Very little supply and very little demand for high end computer hardware drives the price up.

Also stores are not your best friend that are here to sell you and only you hardware at cost price. Stores employ people who want to want to be payed. So they need to make money on the products they sell.


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#10

Posted 12 April 2012 - 11:50 PM

I do agree that NZ has high prices etc etc. But you can't really compare our prices to NewEgg. NewEgg is massive and has really good prices even in comparison to other US stores.

Prices are not the biggest problem for me, it's completely not even having the products I want at all in NZ. Eg I want some Enzotech Copper Mosfet heatsinks, but they are not to be seen in NZ. That would be alright if we had some of the alternate brands but they are not here either. It would cost me 30US just to get them into NZ, for that price I would rather buy an entire new graphics card cooler.
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#11

Posted 13 April 2012 - 09:30 AM

I found a soloution called bongoUS, it gives you a address in the US and you can have all your orders shipped to that address and then bongo ship any items that are sent there to anywhere in the world. Seems like a great idea IMO.

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#12

Posted 13 April 2012 - 09:33 AM

View PostJoshHunter, on 12 April 2012 - 10:30 PM, said:

Wat? A retailer would get them wholesale (Unless maybe there are no wholesalers for NZ?) for even less. And shipping would scale downwards with big orders of hardware. I'm pretty sure a large portion of the price is markup, how else would you describe an almost hundred dollar variance in prices across different stores.
Because the markup is probably no more than $150, if not only $100?

View Postdamnwebsite, on 12 April 2012 - 11:06 PM, said:

most of the money goes to shipping and customs duty..... im still getting some of my parts in USA anyway cos even with the shipping and customs id still save $$$, the reason why stuff is so expensive here is because the shops have to make a reasonable amount of profit as well
I don't think there is customs duty on electrical or computer items, but they will have to pay GST although they can probably claim it back. But they will definitely pay quite a bit of shipping – and it won't necessarily be less per item just because they are buying several either.

View PostMaeur1, on 13 April 2012 - 09:30 AM, said:

I found a soloution called bongoUS, it gives you a address in the US and you can have all your orders shipped to that address and then bongo ship any items that are sent there to anywhere in the world. Seems like a great idea IMO.
Yes, there might be several services that do that actually. It solves the problem of the likes of NewEgg not shipping to NZ, but that's about it.
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#13

Posted 13 April 2012 - 09:58 AM

View PostMaeur1, on 13 April 2012 - 09:30 AM, said:

I found a soloution called bongoUS, it gives you a address in the US and you can have all your orders shipped to that address and then bongo ship any items that are sent there to anywhere in the world. Seems like a great idea IMO.

I looked into that, and it looked pretty good, but then they asked me for two forms of identification o_O one of which had to have a photograph. I might still go through with it, as I've already had to pay some sort of deposit, but it seems like a pain in the arse. Plus I need a notary public to witness filling out some USPS form.

Its just going to really hurt buying a GTX680 for such a high price, regardless of why and how the price is high.




View Postbenhanna, on 12 April 2012 - 11:18 PM, said:

What do you mean big orders? Stores here don't buy GTX 680's in the hundreds. Or SSD in the hundreds. They might order 10 GTX 680's in at a time. (for example)

Yes most stores are going to put a mark up on hardware. It's supply and demand. Very little supply and very little demand for high end computer hardware drives the price up.

Also stores are not your best friend that are here to sell you and only you hardware at cost price. Stores employ people who want to want to be payed. So they need to make money on the products they sell.


I think you were looking for this website.

http://www.reddit.co...tworldproblems/

I don't know if you have ever bought anything from the US, but even if you buy more than one of an item the shipping price scales downwards, if you were to get as little as 10 you would still be saving a decent amount of money.


>Most stores are going to put a mark up on hardware

Strange, I would have thought all stores would mark up hardware, to avoid something that is referred to as net loss.

#14

Posted 13 April 2012 - 10:50 AM

NZ just plain sucks, lol. Hence why im beefing up my cisco certs to go live in the states. :D

#15

Posted 13 April 2012 - 01:04 PM

The majority of retailers don't buy directly from the US but instead buy from the NZ distributors. In NZ the biggest distributor has approximately 80% of NZ's market share, the 2nd most maybe 10% and the other 10% made up of everybody else. In Australia these figures are more like 60%, 25% and 15% respectively.

The distributors source their stock from the vendors who ultimately decide which distributors receive what share of stock. Unfortunately for NZ a majority of stock in the Asia-Pacific region will be passed onto Australia with the dregs sent onto NZ.
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#16

Posted 13 April 2012 - 02:39 PM

Another thing, do you chaps think that when non-reference cards surface, reference prices will lower a little? Or do you think that non-reference cards will be even more extravagant? I haven't really followed card releases this closely before to notice how the prices change, I thought someone might know ^L_^

#17

Posted 13 April 2012 - 03:16 PM

I think it will probably be a combination of both – the non-reference cards will almost definitely cost more, but the demand for the reference cards will drop which dictates that the price will drop (supply and demand; the price must keep them equal, and the supply will stay the same for a while either side of the release).
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#18

Posted 13 April 2012 - 03:45 PM

I hope they're not too far away. I want to play games again :(

#19

Posted 14 April 2012 - 09:53 AM

View PostJoshHunter, on 13 April 2012 - 03:45 PM, said:

I hope they're not too far away. I want to play games again :(

when i was without my graphics card, i JUUUUst managed to play stalker on my motherboards integrated graphics. Also COD 4 haha

#20

Posted 14 April 2012 - 01:49 PM

Oh sweet :D what CPU did was that with? I'm using an i3 2100, it should be able to manage CS:S, which is enough to occupy me until I can get back into Skyrim and buy BF3 >.<

#21

Posted 16 April 2012 - 12:55 AM

@HybridTheory

I'm thinking about moving to the states (FL) to live with my mother-in-law also. But, I'm a bit concerned about the job prospect. Have you been looking for a job there?

@JoshHunter

How about the Gigabyte ref. design? ~$850, costs cheaper than actually getting the same card from Newegg (plus shipping, customs, etc.). Most importantly, you'll get a 3yr warranty also.

However, with the new EVGA global warranty, you might be able to take advantage of the lower price in the states and will still be able to make a warranty claim here. Have to say I haven't read the whole thing so I'm not entirely sure. If someone knows, please elaborate.

BTW, if you're in AKL, I can hook you up with EVGA GTX680, cheaper than the lowest price on here.

#22

Posted 16 April 2012 - 06:04 PM

I'm not in Auckland but I have friends there. What kind of price? I am interested!

In other news; I'm nearly in tears, saw my rig go for $950 shipped today :( selling hardware is amongst the most depressing things that can be done #firstworldproblems

#23

Posted 16 April 2012 - 07:36 PM

Patrick_T and JoshHunter, I suggest you continue the 680 discussions by PM.

Edited by LinuxUser, 16 April 2012 - 07:37 PM.

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#24

Posted 16 April 2012 - 08:23 PM

One step ahead sir :P

#25

Posted 16 April 2012 - 11:08 PM

View PostJoshHunter, on 16 April 2012 - 06:04 PM, said:

In other news; I'm nearly in tears, saw my rig go for $950 shipped today :( selling hardware is amongst the most depressing things that can be done #firstworldproblems

Don't be sad, I will give it a good home. I knew when i bought it and saw your name that your name was familiar. Hahaha.
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#26

Posted 16 April 2012 - 11:18 PM

Oh wow, hahaha that's actually kind of uncanny >.< I place my faith in you. At least you can complain about it to me on here rather than by email

#27

Posted 17 April 2012 - 02:22 AM

View PostLinuxUser, on 16 April 2012 - 07:36 PM, said:

Patrick_T and JoshHunter, I suggest you continue the 680 discussions by PM.

Yes siree. :)

#28

Posted 18 May 2012 - 10:45 PM

The Samsung 830 (256 GB) is available at B&H Photo for about $300 US delivered to NZ.

Newegg probably has it cheaper (I think the 128GB is $110 US), but it's still a good deal.

#29

Posted 18 May 2012 - 11:48 PM

Oh wow that is good. Not a lot more than the M4 here. I'll look into getting one, because I think we have to pay tax on imported goods

#30

Posted 19 May 2012 - 12:13 AM

You have to pay GST on goods over NZ$400 including shipping. You don't have to pay if customs don't catch the parcel





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