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PSP Vita, UMD?


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#1

Posted 21 March 2012 - 11:19 PM

Ok, by what I gather, you can't play your old UMDs on the new Vita.
Sony suggests that I buy a digital copy from them at a lower price.

So... do you think I could convert the old UMDs into a digital version that the Vita can play?
Or is backwards compatibility completely out of the picture?

I mean, I could play my PS1 games on my PS2, and PS2 games on PS3.
So why not PSP on PSP Vita right?
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#2

Posted 22 March 2012 - 06:37 AM

PS vita can run digital copies of PSP games on it, though buying it at the PS store. I think that soon enough, someone will hack it and you will be able to emulate a PSP on the vita, and run PSP games, but that may take some time. (Note to mods, Hacking a console is legal, i believe, but downloading hacked games, or hacking games is illegal.) Also i think that they have some offer if you still kept your psp or something, or i must be misguided.

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#3

Posted 22 March 2012 - 10:37 AM

View PostMaeur1, on 22 March 2012 - 06:37 AM, said:

PS vita can run digital copies of PSP games on it, though buying it at the PS store. I think that soon enough, someone will hack it and you will be able to emulate a PSP on the vita, and run PSP games, but that may take some time. (Note to mods, Hacking a console is legal, i believe, but downloading hacked games, or hacking games is illegal.) Also i think that they have some offer if you still kept your psp or something, or i must be misguided.
Well, I don't really know anything much about it, and definitely won't be held legally responsible for what I'm saying, but my view is as follows:
  • Hacking the console, as in hardware, cannot be illegal.
  • Hacking the console, as in software, is probably illegal if it involves changing existing software or firmware, although it may be allowed as per below. Adding new software would be OK, with the possible exception of if its purpose is to change existing software (but it is more likely to be allowed than changing it manually).
  • Downloading hacked games would be illegal as they will be pirated – hence why it is illegal, not because they are hacked.
  • Hacking games may or may not be illegal depending on a number of factors. I'm going to start by assuming you have a legal copy of the game. The licence agreement prohibits a number of things, most likely including disassembly, reverse engineering, etc., which would generally all be required for modding. However, under NZ (and many other countries') copyright law, as far as I can remember (from my in-expert understanding of it), such activities are specifically permitted in certain circumstances such as to make things compatible. I'm not sure which of the two would take precedence in court though. So depending on exactly what does, you might be able to legally hack a PSP game to run on the PS Vita. But if you can do your modding without reverse engineering or similar, it should be legal.

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#4

Posted 22 March 2012 - 12:38 PM

lol, ok, my question was not about whether I'm allowed to or not.

My question was about: is it 'technologically possible' to have the old UMDs play on the new Vita.

I don't care if it's illegal or not.
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#5

Posted 22 March 2012 - 01:02 PM

I wouldn't know. You can play PSP games on the PS Vita. The first difficulty would be getting a digital format of the UMD, as you'd somehow have to extract it through a PSP – it could be done with early ones at least. Then you'd somehow have to transfer it to the PS Vita – you've probably got a better idea of whether that is possible than me. If you could do that, it is definitely possible you might be able to make it run. It is not possible to use the UMD directly though.

Generally speaking, it would be legal to use them on there, but it might not be legal to do some of the things necessary to get them to work.
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#6

Posted 22 March 2012 - 01:29 PM

I used to convert UMDs to digital format on my hacked PSP-1000 so I needn't carry the discs with me.
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#7

Posted 22 March 2012 - 02:55 PM

View PostMad-Season, on 22 March 2012 - 01:29 PM, said:

I used to convert UMDs to digital format on my hacked PSP-1000 so I needn't carry the discs with me.
I do the same, but i believe that currently the only way to convert UMD>PS vita is by buying them again through the PS store.

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#8

Posted 22 March 2012 - 07:13 PM

If you have hacked firmware on your psp you should be able to put them into a sd card and then into your ps vita.

#9

Posted 22 March 2012 - 08:16 PM

View Posttbonesteak, on 22 March 2012 - 07:13 PM, said:

If you have hacked firmware on your psp you should be able to put them into a sd card and then into your ps vita.
But from what I read today the PS Vita doesn't use SD cards? And of course, the question (if I'm wrong) is "Does it work?" :D I suspect it would work if the Vita supported SD cards.
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#10

Posted 22 March 2012 - 08:58 PM

I've read the PS Vita uses proprietary PS Vita memory cards, not standard microSD or micro memory stick.

There are PS Vita data/usb cables available. Perhaps it is possible to convert UMDs to digital format then transferring to the computer. Then transfer from the computer via data/usb cable to the PS Vita.
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#11

Posted 22 March 2012 - 11:36 PM

Yeah, this is why I'm putting off buying a PSP... Until the day someone cracks it
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#12

Posted 23 March 2012 - 07:03 AM

View Postjjknz, on 22 March 2012 - 12:38 PM, said:

I don't care if it's illegal or not.

If its illegal then it cant be discussed on the forums.

Edit: I dont think it can be illegal. As you say below Linux, it could really only be a breach of license, in which case the console maker could take you to court to determine what the legality of it is in NZ. Idont hink anyone in NZ has ever been through that process. Im all for 'hacking' your own items to make them easier/better/more compatible etc. I think it should be up to you what you do with it but software licenses blur the line between ownership and basically borrowing another companies product.

Edited by TomSahz, 23 March 2012 - 12:24 PM.


#13

Posted 23 March 2012 - 11:31 AM

Good point, Tom. As I said, I think it would be legal, but it would take a lawyer to determine that – and even then, it could possibly be debated. Also, I'm pretty sure (can't guarantee anything, though) that it would be more related to a breach of the licence rather than illegal anyway.
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